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Can Dolby Digital be retained?

Last post 10-14-2008 17:47 by Phredeaux. 6 replies.
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  • 07-23-2008 21:30

    • Oxen
    • Top 150 Contributor
    • Joined on 07-24-2008

    Can Dolby Digital be retained?

    I have been experimenting with MCEBuddy (v1.0.8). The tool is great and I have almost managed to remove all the adverts with Comskip. I just have one issue remaining: the programmes were recorded in Dolby Digital 5.1 but regenerated by MCEBuddy in stereo. I can check this by looking at my AV amp which tells me “Dolby Digital” for the original recordings and “PCM” for the regenerated files. I am regenerating as H.264. So, how can I retain the 5.1 channels?  I am using ffdshow v1723.

    Thanks 

    -Ox.

  • 08-04-2008 9:08 In reply to

    • Stark
    • Top 50 Contributor
    • Joined on 08-02-2008
    • Southsea, UK
    • Beta Tester

    Re: Can Dolby Digital be retained?

    A half answer to try! 

    Not sure what the original audio format is (assuming AC3) but you could just leave the 5.1 channel audio as is and mux this with the H.264 encoded video.

    Mencoder has an option to retain the original AC3 stream so you can adjust the relevant profile line in the "mencoder.config" file to do this. This probably isn't that ideal as you are not gaining any compression on the audio but maybe this is not an issue to you. I have not had much experience with this and H.264 encoding, synch issues could be a problem -save a copy before trying!

    Other than the above you could re-encode the AC3 to a lower bitrate but this is moving away from the current capabilities of MCEBuddy.

     

     

     

     

     

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  • 08-26-2008 6:06 In reply to

    Re: Can Dolby Digital be retained?

    Oxen:

    I have been experimenting with MCEBuddy (v1.0.8). The tool is great and I have almost managed to remove all the adverts with Comskip. I just have one issue remaining: the programmes were recorded in Dolby Digital 5.1 but regenerated by MCEBuddy in stereo. I can check this by looking at my AV amp which tells me “Dolby Digital” for the original recordings and “PCM” for the regenerated files. I am regenerating as H.264. So, how can I retain the 5.1 channels?  I am using ffdshow v1723.

    Thanks 

    -Ox.

    Adding to the above.  You can add 5.1 support to your conversions by adding "channels=6" to your profile (there's a few posts around on the site relating to this).  However, this des stuff up any conversions of 2 channel recordings.  In MCEBuddy 2.0 we're working on doing this automatically, though it is a rough thing to do.  In all cases (under MCEBuddy) ONLY H.264 will provide 5.1 audio support.

    Derek

  • 10-12-2008 4:25 In reply to

    • Oxen
    • Top 150 Contributor
    • Joined on 07-24-2008

    Re: Can Dolby Digital be retained?

    Thanks guys. Stark, I have been experimenting with your suggestion.

    I have changed the memcoder.conf file to:

    [x264-Default]
    profile-desc="H.264 Recommended"
    vf=pullup,softskip,pp=fd,scale=720:-2,hqdn3d,harddup
    lavdopts=threads=2
    ovc=x264=yes
    x264encopts=threads=auto:subq=5:frameref=4:me=umh:partitions=all:b-pyramid=yes:qcomp=0.8:trellis=1:8x8dct=yes:bframes=3:weightb=yes:bitrate=1200
    #oac=faac=yes
    oac=copy=yes
    faacopts=br=192:raw=yes:mpeg=4:tns=yes
    af=volnorm=2
    #FileExtension=avi

    Specifically, I commented out oac=faac=yes and added oac=copy=yes

    My movies are now not being converted propertly. They either don't get created at all or only a few minutes get created. I believe that when it encounters an AC3 track it stops generating. Evidence is: in the former case, the recording started a little into the movie so it was AC3 from the start; in the latter case, the recording started early and as soon as the programme started the conversion stopped.

    Any further help would be appreciated.

    -Oxen.

     

     

  • 10-12-2008 16:24 In reply to

    Re: Can Dolby Digital be retained?

    Oxen:

    Thanks guys. Stark, I have been experimenting with your suggestion.

    I have changed the memcoder.conf file to:

    [x264-Default]
    profile-desc="H.264 Recommended"
    vf=pullup,softskip,pp=fd,scale=720:-2,hqdn3d,harddup
    lavdopts=threads=2
    ovc=x264=yes
    x264encopts=threads=auto:subq=5:frameref=4:me=umh:partitions=all:b-pyramid=yes:qcomp=0.8:trellis=1:8x8dct=yes:bframes=3:weightb=yes:bitrate=1200
    #oac=faac=yes
    oac=copy=yes
    faacopts=br=192:raw=yes:mpeg=4:tns=yes
    af=volnorm=2
    #FileExtension=avi

    Specifically, I commented out oac=faac=yes and added oac=copy=yes

    My movies are now not being converted propertly. They either don't get created at all or only a few minutes get created. I believe that when it encounters an AC3 track it stops generating. Evidence is: in the former case, the recording started a little into the movie so it was AC3 from the start; in the latter case, the recording started early and as soon as the programme started the conversion stopped.

    Any further help would be appreciated.

    -Oxen.

    Oxen,

    I've found this only works (copy AC3) if you are convertng to XVid or DivX and AVI.  You could try Channels=6 added to the profile for H.264, but this means that if your recording is actually 2 channels then the sound for *that* recording will be screwed up.  Which is why in 2.0 we're doing all the autodetection and dynamic changes.  That said, in 2.0 we'll only provide the option to retain AC3 for DivX and AVI.  I can post a fixed XVid/AC3 profile derived from a dynamic 2.0 one if that will help.  Note that XVid/DivX quality isn't as good as H.264, though you could throw more bits at it.

    Derek

  • 10-13-2008 2:53 In reply to

    • Oxen
    • Top 150 Contributor
    • Joined on 07-24-2008

    Re: Can Dolby Digital be retained?

    Derek,

    I tried DivX with oac=copy=yes :

    [DivX-Default]
    profile-desc="DivX Compatibility"
    vf=pullup,softskip,pp=fd,scale=720:-2,hqdn3d,harddup
    lavdopts=threads=2
    ovc=xvid=yes
    xvidencopts=bitrate=1400:threads=2:chroma_opt=yes:trellis=yes:max_bframes=0:vhq=4:noqpel=yes:nogmc=yes:autoaspect=yes
    ffourcc=DX50
    oac=copy=yes
    #oac=mp3lame=yes
    lameopts=cbr=yes:br=192
    af=volnorm=2
    #FileExtension=avi
    #Seperator=yes

    and got a huge sync delay and it didn't finish the generation. So yes, if you could post a better XVid or DivX / AC3 profile, that would be great. I don't know which format is a higher quality and I'm not sure how to throw more bits at it so your guidance would be appreciated.

    Thanks 

    -Ox.

  • 10-14-2008 17:47 In reply to

    Re: Can Dolby Digital be retained?

    Oxen:

    Derek,

    I tried DivX with oac=copy=yes :

    [DivX-Default]
    profile-desc="DivX Compatibility"
    vf=pullup,softskip,pp=fd,scale=720:-2,hqdn3d,harddup
    lavdopts=threads=2
    ovc=xvid=yes
    xvidencopts=bitrate=1400:threads=2:chroma_opt=yes:trellis=yes:max_bframes=0:vhq=4:noqpel=yes:nogmc=yes:autoaspect=yes
    ffourcc=DX50
    oac=copy=yes
    #oac=mp3lame=yes
    lameopts=cbr=yes:br=192
    af=volnorm=2
    #FileExtension=avi
    #Seperator=yes

    and got a huge sync delay and it didn't finish the generation. So yes, if you could post a better XVid or DivX / AC3 profile, that would be great. I don't know which format is a higher quality and I'm not sure how to throw more bits at it so your guidance would be appreciated.

    Thanks 

    -Ox.

    Ox, there are two major things that are being done in MCEBuddy 2.0 to reduce audio sync issues that simply do not exist in MCEBuddy 1.x.

    However, you can try the following munged 2.0 profile:

    [XvidAVI]
    profile-desc="Xvid AVI"
    vf=pullup,softskip,pp=fd,scale=720:-10,hqdn3d,harddup
    lavdopts=threads=2
    ovc=xvid=yes
    xvidencopts=bitrate=1400:threads=2:chroma_opt=yes:trellis=yes:vhq=4:quant_type=mpeg:gmc=yes
    oac=copy=yes
    ofps=24000/1001
    srate=48000

    You can also drop the ofps line as an option

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